” Blue-Printing” a Walther LGV ©

Within “gun-speak” blueprinting an motion is understood as the modifications/alterations that make that action match the specified dimensions from the design.

In this entry, we are going to use the verb as which means that we are returning the gun, as much as possible, to the “as it will HAVE BEEN issued” state.

Everything started quite some months back (Pre-CoViD) when I was approached by a fellow FT present shooter asking what was the potential within using a Walther LGV in order to shoot FT.

Since a good LGV is my “back-up” gun for serious FEET, I answered that a correctly setup rifle could be precise, precise and consistent sufficient to place well in a competitors.

After that first conversation, there is no more talk and I thought that all the whole idea had been overlooked.

BUT , in the last North Carolina Classsic, I met with the buddy in question and after the first day associated with competition, he declared: “I’m done, take the gun plus make it what it can be”.

So , I came back with additional guns than I got! LOL!

I will not get into detail about the tear down as well as the way the gun functions, there are other entries that handle that:

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/a-yankee-tune-for-the-walther-lgu 

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/a-yankee-tune-for-the-walther-lgu-second-version

Because the guns are identical, aside from the cocking mechanism, what exactly is said of one gun pertains to both.

What was the difference now as regards those first endeavors into the LGU/LGV realm is that on this occasion I had NO IDEA from the provenance of the gun. It had been an LGV Master. And am sure it was bought in the united states, my friend purchased it “from a gentleman in PA”, but that still will not justify what happened.

So , why don’t get into the project.

The Rifle . –   
My friend is a good player with the dice. He is, literally, Championship materials, so if he says the weapon is inconsistent, I often believe him, but sporadic by how much was nevertheless a question, so… the first thing has been to put the gun with the Chrono.
Tests with JSB’s 8. forty-four grs. / 4. fifty two mms, gave horrible outcomes, in a 20 shot thread the ES was twenty-seven fps for a Low associated with 735 and a High of 762, for an average of 750 ± 7 fps meant for 10. 6 ft-lbs
CLEARLY something had been wrong.

On disassembly, I discovered that the previous owner got applied the “Yankee Tune” principles to the “Tee”. However the gun simply refused in order to yield the energy promised as well as some drastic spacing ahead and aft, did not supply the desired results.

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Vortek unit with additional spacers
It was also obvious that will some effort had been made to acquire the buzz through the generous application of greases:
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Gobs of grease
Complete disassembly showed the rear part of the powerplant train:
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Back Section of Powerplant
And I still needed to find the heavily spaced TopHat which was hiding inside the piston.
The close off wasn’t either an OE one, being blue, thinner and shorter than the authentic:
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Non-OEM close off is slimmer
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OE seal’s Bore Diameter
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Rear Gap with Azure Seal
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Piston along with Blue seal is smaller
When the idea was to add the millimeter of stroke towards the compression volume, the advantage has been lost with the looseness as well as the gaps.
The Repair. – 

Still, the job was minimize and so, I replaced most parts for OEM components (as wished by the owner):
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Full OEM Powerplant
A new piston, a new guide and a brand new spring were installed, every OEM parts.

Observant visitors will note that the OE trigger has been replaced! Indeed that is one of Eric Pianori’s triggers:

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/new-super-custom-trigger-for-the-walther-lgulgv 

and it is fantastically adjustable, consistent and dependable.

I thought that everything choose to go “just peachy” till the particular chrono test:

With the exact same JSB’s, the gun clocked 741 ± 4 frames per second

WHAAATTT?

Uhh-Ohh! I guess that will, by now, I should KNOW that in case a gun gets to me, for the reason that others have not found a method to make it work as the owner/customer desires, or as the gun is definitely expected to perform.

Reading more than some of my notes, We remembered that at one particular point I had refused to improve the TP of an LGV, preferring to use a much more complex solution:

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-walther-lgv-pushing-the-power-limits 

But the proprietor, in THIS case wanted to have the weapon “blue-printed” and nothing is since non-OEM as a custom piston.
It experienced also happened that I experienced HAD to open a TP in some other break-barrels and am had made the tools to accomplish properly, so this time about, I did have the wherewithal in order to tackle the TP enhancement.

In brief: you need carbide exercises to drill out the particular TP to the dimension a person need/want, and also a way to take away the drilling burr from the INSIDE from the compression chamber that comes from drilling from the outside in.

Carbide drills will reduce a VERY precise and clean hole in steel with slow speeds with mutton tallow lubrication, and that offers you control of the process, it also creates little burr on the other side from the drill, important when the “other side” is, in reality, the interior of the compression chamber; exactly where another surprise awaited all of us.

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Deep Going Setup
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Peeking in to the Face
As you can see there is a gap between end   as well as the sidewalls from the compression chamber, where a band of “gunk” forms. You can even see that the face/end from the compression chamber is not flawlessly flat.
This particular gun will never achieve correct “full power” because there is the “lost volume” that we can not get rid of. A lost quantity that even the excellent OE LGV “power pulse” design seal cannot remediate.
It could be fixed using a custom piston, but then that will not be a “blue-printed” weapon.

The other thing you can see within this picture (or better yet, you can not see), is the normal burr from drilling the TP out from the OTHER side.
A larger drill has been applied with the extension demonstrated above and the burr taken out.
Some have got argued that the inside of the TP’s should be “venturi’ed”, IMHO, which is counterproductive because when surroundings flows at the speed from which it flows inside these types of machines, a slightly violent flow is actually a better “lubricated” flow; a venturi type of entry would tend to decrease turbulences, which is something all of us do not want.
So , we only eliminated the burr and ensured that nothing was generally there to damage the close off in the second (or third)  landing of the piston.
Here is a detailed go through the TP and surrounding region:

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A detailed seem of the Face
So , with the TP drilled out to the MINIMAL required for the 12 ft-lbs requested by the owner, we all tested different pellets and lastly settled on a combination that will seems to give very good outcomes.
The barrel or clip in this rifle is easily among the best I have seen/slugged in any contemporary Walther, and it seems to like the lighter spectrum of pellets (7. 9 grs), capturing them at 827 ± 4 fps for twelve ft-lbs on the dot (and the innards are still within the “running in” phase). Naturally, this rifle will negotiate in the 835-840 fps typical and the extreme spread within MV will be reduced in order to single digit.
This rifle is meant to shoot AAFTA design Hunter Division, so just a little over 12 ft-lbs is not any problem at all.
The outcomes. – 

To test this gun We installed a SIGHTRON 4-12X40 AO scope that has proved to be VERY reliable in an Accurized ZR mount:

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Complete view of the LGV rifle
It was very nice to just install the scope and to have zero need of further rules to get the rifle sighted within at the optical axis from the scope. And so, after a few short range tests to find out if the JSB Xp was your right pellet and credit reporting that it was, I adjourned towards the 25 yards distance which was the result (target chance from the bottom, up):
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25 yds Check
When it comes to non-OEM part, my friend requested a light and creepless result in, so I used Eric’s trigger’s middle screw (to slow up the back force of the spring) and adjusted to a little bit less than 1#, this is the typical of 5 trigger drags:
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Trigger draw setting
Overall, a very rewarding task, while the gun will not accomplish the 17/23 Joules promoted originally, it is still containing a good performance for the bending force, and it is working like a “pop gun” in the “Olde English Air Gonne” parlance, meaning that the lubricants are usually kept to a minimum plus there is no energy contributed towards the pellet by moderate dieseling.
As ALMOST ALL Walthers that are made to operate the “pop gun” area, it is a bit “ringy”. Issue bothers the user the solution is incredibly simple: just add a REALLY LIGHT coating of tar to the spring. To ME, the particular thermal aspects of how tar behaves between a cool fifty ° F morning as well as a scorching 90 ° Farreneheit noon are not worth it however to each his own.

Presently there is  more to read about the particular LGV’s in this blog, a few of the entries have been superseded  simply by newer materials and elements, but I hope the readers will discover them interesting:

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/swapping-the-walther-lgus-trigger

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-walther-lgv-a-second-look 

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-gunsmiths-tune-part-14-full-power-walther-lgv 

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-gunsmiths-tune-part-24-12-ft-lbs-walther-lgv  

In the meantime, take care, maintain well and shoot directly!

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